Bee CoOp Order 2018

Deadline to Order - 2/22
Payment is due immediately upon order

For more information on our full non-profit program offerings for beekeepers see this page:

You have a choice between package bees or nuc's. We have had very good success with both. 

Everything but the price is pretty much the same this year, but full details are included below for your reference.
Full information on each ordering option is included below.

Nuc's come in a box with a set of five frames, that you unload into your hive. 
Package bees come in a small box with 3# of bees with a mated queen in the midst, that you unload into your frames. 
Either way, you need to add the bees to your hive(s) - but have no fear, we will show you how!  Workshops on this and other topics will be available.

Cost for Transport
Each person/household shares in the cost to drive to pick up the bees this Spring - to Wilkes Barre, PA, Norwich or Pamelia, depending on the vendor.  This will run somewhere between $10 to $20 per family total for the transport, approximately.  Maybe a little less, depending on how many people order, we just split the gas cost evenly.  This is a flat fee, not charged per package/nuc, and is only to cover the cost of gas.
We collect this from you upon pick-up, and give it directly to the driver.  You'll know in advance the exact price, but we don't know the total per person yet (until the orders are all in.)
Important Note: If you agree to go in on this group order, you are agreeing to your share of the transportation cost as well - even if fewer people go in, so that it costs a bit more (hopefully not, but just saying!)  Drivers are not paid for their time, and we have agreed in the past that the driver shouldn't have to pay for their share of the gas; since they're doing all the driving plus wear and tear on their vehicle, so that seems only fair.  This is saving you the full expense of going there yourself, so it's a deal!

Donation to the Local Living Venture for Coordination
We ask for a donation of $5 per unit (nuc or package) for the tremendous amount of time and effort it takes to coordinate a smooth order and delivery.  If we are able to meet minimum quantities for a $5 price break, what this means is that you would still just pay the regular price for the unit - if you'd ordered on your own.  You wouldn't have ordered enough to get that break in the first place, so it comes out more or less even.  If we don't make that minimum, then it is costing you an extra $5 each, but you still save when considering the transport costs (see above.)  We include it in the pricing below, but this is a good-will donation, and is not required; however, withholding it would really not be a kind thing to do to us. :-)  Chelle is a volunteer coordinating most of this, but many paid staff hours go into coordinating also, and we need to at least cover those expenses as a small and unfunded community organization.

Delivery Location: The package bees will be delivered to the parking lot of the Bee Meetings in Canton, NY on April 21.
The nuc's we are less clear on the delivery date and where they will be delivered to, see more details in the Ktik 5 Frame Nuc's section below.

Delivery Dates:  Package bees Saturday, 4/21/2017, Nuc's late April to mid- May.
By participating in this group bee purchase you agree:
that Package Bees and the risk of loss of the package and queen it contains or the Nuc's and the risk of loss of the frames and queen it contains become the responsibility of the customer (the customer being you, not the Local Living Venture or the volunteer delivery driver) at the time of pick up from the supplier.  You understand that Mann Lake, Kutik's Honey Farm and the Local Living Venture cannot guarantee the successful establishment of the package bees or nuc's. You agree that you will not attempt to hold Mann Lake, Kutik's Honey Farm or the Local Living Venture or it's agents (including the volunteer delivery drivers) responsible for whatever may happen to your package or nuc after it is delivered to you or for the survival or productivity of the hive that you may establish from the package or nuc.  You understand and agree that ther are no refunds for cancellations, though we will do our best to find another buyer in that case.

Please copy and paste the questions below in to an email, fill it in and send to us by Monday, February 19 at

Bee supplies may run low and late payment jeopardizes everyone's order!
We will contact you regarding the exact amount due, by Friday, February 23 by reply email.  You must be prepared to send a check right away, the deadline to receive payment is February 28 in order for us to place the order.  We will not order bees that are not paid for.  Please budget for now based on the highest cost shown in the pricing below and you will not be disappointed if/when it comes in lower. 
There are no refunds or cancellations for orders they take, so please be sure you are asking for what you want.

EMAIL TO LLV BY MONDAY, FEBRUARY 19 or contact us as soon as possible to add on to the group order.

Copy the section below, paste into an email, fill it out and send!

* * * * * * Begin Copying Here * * * * * *
PLEASE copy and paste this format to make it easier on us to record!


Cell Phone (for pick up day)  

I can receive texts on this phone YES / NO
Cell phone provider (so we can email the text to all of you easily)  AT&T  /  VERIZON  /  TRACFONE  /  OTHER (please name)

Daytime Phone (if different)  

Number of Nuc's from Kutik's  
Number and type of Queens from Kutik's  

I may be able to be the driver to pick up the group order of Nuc's in Pamelia or Norwich, NY (large truck or cargo van needed.)
Yes / No  

Number of Italian Packages  
Number of Carniolan Packages  
Number of Saskatraz Packages  
Number of extra Queens from Mann Lake (one comes with each package already) - specify type  

I may be interested in bulk syrup.  
Yes / No

Comments or Questions  

PLEASE put in the Subject Line:
The total # and type of packages or nuc's (and any queens too) + your Name and Cell (preferably)
     Example:    2 Italian Pkg, 1 Queen Joe Blow 315-555-1212
               Or:   3 Nucs Jane Glow 315-555-1212
Send to :-) Thank you!

* * * * * * End Copying Here * * * * * *

Copy the section above, paste into an email, fill it out and send!


Package Bees

Package Bees are guaranteed to contain 3 or more pounds of bees plus a caged mated Queen, and will not have more than one inch of dead bees (when spread evenly across the bottom of the package) upon pickup from the supplier. We've seen nowhere near 1" of dead bees, but that's an acceptable number. Recipients of the package bees from Mann Lake in past years seemed to be pretty happy with the results.  They came in strong and healthy and we are always impressed with their vigor.  Mann Lake is using the same Northern California supplier they have had for years, so we have faith that this year will also be a positive experience.  That said, these are livestock and no one can guarantee anything, but Mann Lake has been good about replacing queens or full packages on the rare occasions they arrived in less than stellar shape.
We have a driver set to pick up this order.  If you'd like to tag along, talk to Don Matheson at a bee meeting, or we can put you in touch!

Here is the website for your use,  Anything stated here may be superseded by what they say on their website, so check it out!  If you notice any differences, please tell me and we will share it! :-)

NOTE:  We have rejected the idea of purchasing (sometimes cheaper) packages from the southern U.S., as they are likely to have small hive beetles.  Generally, the beetles don't overwinter well, it's true, but they can wreak havoc during the first year they are installed regardless, and if there's a mild winter...they could hold over.  We also will not be considering bees that come through places like Tractor Supply - if you want those bees, please feel free to get them on your own.

Three Types of Bee Packages Available this Year!
NEW!  Saskatraz (from Saskatchewan, Canada)
See this webpage for details, scroll down to the explanation:

The cost is based on * how many we order as a group *, as per below.
There is also a delivery cost that we all share, which is a savings to you - to not have to drive to PA yourself to get them.

The cost for Mann Lake Packages is:

$146.99 each
 (not including transport) for 1-19 packages.
This is the most likely price, but there is no guarantee - budget for this higher price!
Breakdown of price: $133.95 + 6% tax + $5 each donation requested for co-op coordination
The 20 or more pricing is:
$139.57 each (not including delivery) for over 20 packages (we may not reach 20, but you never know!)
Breakdown of price: $128.95 each + 6% tax + $5 each donation requested for co-op coordination
$149.11 each (not including transport) for 1-19 packages.
Breakdown of price: $135.95 + 6% tax + $5 each donation requested for co-op coordination

*  I tried to get the 6% tax removed, but it did not work, since we are a non-profit in NY, not PA.

Queens from Mann Lake Package supplier
Note that a caged, mated Queen is included in each package but you may order more seperately.
Italian & Carnolian
$34 each includes tax
$36 each includes tax

Bulk Syrup
Also, we'll deal with this later, but it's possible to get in on buying some bulk syrup from Mann Lake - you provide the 1 to 5 gallon pail(s). Don Matheson says it's a good price and high quality.  If it happens, this would be an add-on at the "last minute," we don't have to pre-order - also, part of this decision is how much room there is in the van outside of the packages.

Kutik's Five Frame Nuc's
The pricing on the nuc's is for 5 Frame nucs.
There are 4 frame nuc's available also, but I'd have to get pricing for you as everyone seems to go with the 5 frame.

The cost for Kutik's Honey Farms nuc's is based on how many we order, as per below.
1-9      $155 each includes tax and $5 each for LLV donation
10-49  $145 each   "                                                      "  This is the most likely price, but there is no guarantee - budget for the higher price!
50+     $135 each    "                                                      "

Nuc Deposit
There is a $20 per nuc deposit for the return of the box.  You can keep the box and forfeit the deposit if you wish. When you return your box, you get your check back.  This is a separate check, made out directly to Kutiks, not to the LLV.  Your deposit check should be included in with your separate payment check, and you'll be reminded of that when I send the email with your total bill.

There MAY also a transport cost that we all share, which is a savings to you - to not have to drive to Norwich yourself to get them. Last year, they brought them up to Roland's farm in West Potsdam, so we had no transport cost.  It is unclear who or how we will get them this year, but these details will be worked out.  Other years they delivered to Pamelia so we didn't have to go as far as Norwich, but if we do need to go anywhere to get them we will share the gas expense for the driver, in cash upon pick-up.
If we do need to go to Pamelia or Norwich, we do not yet have a driver set to pick up this order - a large cargo van or truck is needed. Drivers are not paid for their time, but the cost for gas is covered entirely.  Let us know if you can help!

Queens from Kutik Nuc Supplier
Each nuc comes with a Queen but you may order more seperately.
Italian or Carniolan, from SC 
1-9 $28
10-24 $26
25-99 $24
100+ $23 
Late April delivery (though they were late last year, it was early May)


If you want bees:

1)  Reply now to - copy in the questions above, fill out your answers and send your email by midnight Mon., 2/19.
2)  When we've determined what the prices are, based on whether we met price break minimums, we'll send you a "bill" by email, on Fri.. 2/23.
3)  Mail your check right away please, to  Local Living Venture, PO Box 736, Canton NY 13617.
Your check must be received by Wednesday, 2/28 (which is also the bee meeting, so you can bring it there.)

Let's make this thing happen, people!

Bee Happy!
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a 501(c)(3) community-based educational non-profit

The Local Living Venture is coordinated entirely by volunteers.
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